❛ i’d have to admit that i have never been one for the SEA. ❜
“ No? Then I must admit, you’ve made a questionable friendship with me. The sea is the only place I’ve ever truly felt at HOME. Does it frighten you? ”
She had first spotted him foundering in the sea like a nestling making its first attempt at flight. He resisted her arms that longed to help, twisting away from the safety she offered at every opportunity she allowed to slip by. Syrena set her jaw determinedly and redoubled her efforts, paying no heed to the struggles of the human as she towed him towards the sunlight that illuminated the underwater world. As they neared the surface, she pulled the man ahead of her so that his head would be the first to break out of the water’s embrace. The mermaid laid him down carefully on the beach and retreated to a polite distance, relieved to see his eyelids flutter slightly.
“You mustn’t sleep. You must get as far away from here as you are able to. These waters are not safe.”
Will’s head spun unpleasantly as he fought to remain conscious, the world tilting precariously on its axis as he lifted his head up again. Sand clung to strands of hair, obscuring his vision even more than the black spots currently blooming at an alarming rate. Sliding an arm under his torso, Will slowly lifted himself up, stomach rolling as the dizziness increased tenfold. The sun was far too bright, the sand too warm – everything was simply too much at the moment, and Will could feel his boy practically pleading with him to give in to the pressing weight of sleep. It was funny how similar this weight was to the weight of the ocean.
Startled by the return of the lilting voice, Will finally found the source of it. A woman waded in the water, visible to the tops of her shoulders. There was an ethereal air to her, something that Will couldn’t quite place. She seemed concerned for his safety, but it was she who would tire after continuously treading water. Her words didn’t make sense in his muddled state, and he shook his head slowly.
“ Just – give me a moment to find my bearings.”
He asked, words punctuated by a heavy breath that fell between each one.
Will leaned forward, resting his elbows on his knees. He realized with a start that he was still in the water, waves lapping at the lower half of his body. He cast it a cursory glance, apprehension on his features despite the fact the he knew nothing about the woman before him. The warning stirred something in Will, though he still didn’t have the energy to move.
“ – What, might I ask, makes these waters so treacherous? “
Her eyes lingered on him thoughtfully as he stood. Though the rest of the crew had moved quickly upon being reintroduced to their captain, William had lagged behind. It would have been clear to anyone with even a hint of observational skills that he was not as enthused about this journey as the rest, nor as happy about the prospect of rescuing Jack. And yet he agreed still. She found that very intriguing.
“Or perhaps missed by one in pahticulah, hm?”
There was a note of understanding in her tone as she moved away from him, gathering a locket into the palm of her hands from a tabletop nearby. The pad of her thumb ran across the top of the pendant as she turned back to him, a foreign softness in her features.
“Yer love for her is strong. But ya must take care.”
She fastened the locket around her neck, fingertips brushing across it absent- mindedly as she stared past him, towards the doorway – and further than that, to the sea.
“Not all would be willin’ ta make de same sacrifice in return.”
Will did his best to keep his expression neutral, but even those who didn’t know him all too well would have been able to see the effect her words had on him. It was one thing for Will to have his own suspicions, but another entirely to have it confirmed by someone who knew more than the rest seemed to. Will’s gaze traveled to the seat that Elizabeth had only just vacated not ten minutes ago, when she’d sat in a silence that still managed to be l o u d e r than anything else in the room.
Tia Dalma’s movements caught Will’s attention, and he turned back towards her, brows furrowing with curiosity as he caught sight of her reaching hand. The locket she grabbed was one he recognized, one she’d worn before. But the look on her face was one that he hadn’t yet seen, and it struck a CHORD in him. There was a familiarity to the fondness, one that made his stomach churn unpleasantly given the current events. Will listened intently as she spoke, pieces of an unspoken puzzle connecting as he watched her move.
“ Do you speak from experience?”
He asked hesitantly, eyes drawing back towards the knife in his hands. He pocketed it swiftly, the expression on his face guarded as he awaited either an answer or a SHARP remark to remind him of his p l a c e.
‟Even hungry dogs know better than to bite the hand that feeds them, Mister Turner. ”
The tips of his fingers rested rigidly upon the tactical charts as he turned to face his company, his unoccupied hand tugging lightly at the lace of his cuffs that brushed against his palm whilst he fell into an unnaturally poised stance for so dry a remark.
‟ Were your own terms not enough to satisfy you? ”
Will regarded the man before him with barely contained loathing, lip curled upwards just enough that it might have seemed like a small smile were it not for the tense set of his shoulders. The sheer arrogance that rolled off of him in waves was insufferable, and Will found himself wishing it would benefit him to run the other man through with one of the many swords he’d created.
“ Perhaps, but you’ll find that even the hungriest of dogs knows when it’s being poisoned instead of fed. But it is not the terms I take issue with, rather the purpose behind it. You never wanted the compass alone, did you.”
The smithy was no place for a proper young lady, but Elizabeth could not bring herself to care about any implications that might come from her presence there. Her foray with the pirates had done nothing to slake her need for freedom; if any- thing, it had only served to intensify it. She longed for the sort of freedom that high society didn’t normally afford to women of her stature. But unlike the lot of them, she was fortunate enough to have a father who bent to her will more often than not and a fiance who understood her desire to escape her gilded cage.
Elizabeth smiled across to him as she wandered aimlessly through the small building, examining things here and there. She felt oddly at home here, amongst weapons that might have made other young ladies swoon. But there was a curiosity within her about them, accompanied by a longing to learn to wield one. Their adventure on the high seas had reminded her of her inability to properly defend herself; that was a feeling she never wanted to endure again. With that in mind, she made a mental note to request Will’s assistance with the task later.
With one furtive glance in Mr. Brown’s direction, Elizabeth made her way over to Will, happily taking his outstretched hand. It was such a simple gesture, and yet it was one that she had been deprived of for so long that she couldn’t help but take pleasure from it.
“It’s such a peaceful night,” she remarked once they’d stepped into the coolness of the evening. It was a welcome change from the heat of the smithy. “It almost seems strange, after all we’ve been through.”
The warmth of Elizabeth’s hand in his own grounded Will more than anything else ever had, and for an instant, he understood how a great ship could be held steady by an anchor. He also found that if this was what it felt like, he could live his whole life anchored in place with this woman by his side. The boyish smile on his face grew more relaxed as Will quietly closed the door behind them, knowing full well that Mr. Brown would sleep well into the next morning if left alone. Perhaps it was the rule follower in him that had Will feeling a bit more on edge as he let himself slip away from his place of work. Or perhaps it was finally having found a reason to bend the rules just a small amount.
The city was quieter at this hour, only a few individuals making their way down the cobblestone streets. The sun had only just begun it’s final descent towards the horizon, and the warm rays of the setting sun brought warmth to Will’s face. He swung his arm gently, keeping his fingers interlaced with Elizabeth’s. There might have once been a time where Will would have cringed at the eyes that followed them, the disapproving stares that mixed with those of the openly curious. But now, he found that he hardly noticed them. It was funny how much changed once he managed to discover a world outside of his own, one where judgments were often withheld.
Letting his thumb caress the back of Elizabeth’s hand, Will moved a bit closer, shoulders knocking together as they walked.
“ I know what you mean. It almost seems like a different world. It’s strange to think that nothing has changed except us.” He mused, casting a glance towards the direction of the ocean.
He was loathe to admit the pull it had on him, but even now, the smell of the sea brought back the memories of a rocking ship beneath his feet, and the soothing sensation it brought. How strange that something that had very nearly been his end brought nothing but sheer adrenaline. His brow furrowed at the thought, but Will tried not to contemplate it further.
It seemed there could only be one certainty in this world: that a pirate would always find himself back in Tortuga sooner or later. As one of only a few safe havens for criminals and outlaws, the island obviously had its appeal, but there was more to it than that. For the likes of Jack Sparrow it held a distinct charm of its own; from the assortment of sights and smells to the pleasures and pastimes one could partake in, stepping off the gangplank and onto the dock almost felt like coming home.
That is, if home hadn’t instead been an ebony ship he’d finally managed to retrieve from Captain Barbossa and his cursed crew – with the help of a certain blacksmith he was now intending to meet in one of the port’s many taverns. At times Jack still had to remind himself that he wasn’t dreaming; that after ten long years of searching and seeking revenge he had finally killed his former first mate and taken back the ship that rightfully belonged to him. So there was a flicker of pride in his features as he pushed the door open to the tavern and meandered across the room before his eyes met those of Will Turner, his lips quirking into a hint of a smirk.
❝ And if they had, would I have been able to count on another of your daring, bordering on senseless, escape attempts? Or was that just a one-off designed to impress your dearest Miss Swann? ❞
There was a brief flash of golden teeth in the dim light as Jack took a seat opposite him, casting his eyes quickly about the room before he let himself relax a little. It was important to keep your wits in a place like this, after all, especially with the sort of reputation that Jack had. As his gaze returned to Will once more, there was an undeniable glint of curiosity present that hadn’t been there before.
❝ Or am I to refer to her as Mrs Turner now? ❞
Will would never admit it to anyone who asked, but a small bit of relief washed through him as Jack made his way to the table. Though the joke about Jack’s capture had fallen easily from his lips, there had indeed been many moments in the last few months when he’d wondered if Jack would join the skeletons at the bottom of the sea or hung for the world to sea. He was glad to see that it was not, in fact, the case. A laugh escaped him at Jack’s comment, the corners of his eyes crinkling with amusement. Shaking his head, Will slid the bottle of rum across the table, the sound of heavy glass on wood only just louder than the din around them.
❝ Bordering on senseless? I didn’t hear you complaining when I sprung you from your cell. In case you haven’t noticed, my attempts work out quite well. E v e n t u a l l y. ❞
At the mention of Elizabeth, Will’s smile softened slightly, unbeknownst to the sap man. Despite the shorter time away from her, Will found he missed her even now. He’d managed to lose himself in thought for a moment, but was startled out of them at Jack’s comment. A barely discernible red tint came over his cheeks, gaze traveling quite subtly (or so he believed ) away from Jack. The smile on his lips was one of barely contained pride, and a bit of the same shy young man Jack had first encountered a year ago. But there was glint of something a bit more mischievous in his eyes now that hadn’t been present before.
❝ You’re a bit early on that, I’m afraid. But in a few months time, you may be able to address her as such.
❞
Will’s cheeks burned a little bit warmer with the comment, and he found himself reaching across the table to snag back the bottle he’d passed to Jack. Maybe it was for him, too, after all.
It was funny how over the course of a few months, the drink that Will had become so accustomed to could return to the same hard bitter taste he’d HATED to begin with. The bottle of rum he held was warm and unfamiliar in his hand, but there was a bit of comfort in it as well. As it was, Will felt himself beginning to loosen up with each (small) drink, steadily cutting the invisible strings that made him feel like society’s PUPPET. Tortuga offered him the taste of freedom that he’d come to miss, and already, the rules of high society were l e a v i n g him little by little.
Back pressed to the wall of the tavern he’d entered, Will let his eyes wander across those that had gathered around various tables. The sound of raised voices and loud laughter formed its own melody, one that made Will’s lips twitch upwards in amusement. He was comfortable like this, on the EDGE of the lifestyle here in Tortuga, more a witness than one who partook in it. As it was, he was only on the island for a single reason. If he’d been told a year ago that he’d one day WILLINGLY seek passage to Tortuga to meet a pirate, he’d have been horribly offended and dismissive. But now, it was exactly what he found himself doing. The thought was enough to make Will pause before taking another slightly larger swig of the still rather full bottle. It wasn’t exactly for him, after all.
As the individuals at the table before him vacated their seats in favor of c h a s i n g after ruffled skirts, Will moved forward and slid into one of the chairs. Setting the bottle on the table, he leaned backwards, drinking in the room and waiting on the arrival of the one pirate he’d agreed to see. Moments passed before the sound of a familiar voice was finally heard, and Will turned to seek out the newcomer. Recognition flashed across his face, and he finally allowed himself to r e l a x into the chair.
❝
Here I was beginning to think that Norrington’s men had made a prisoner of you after all.
❞
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SHIPPING.
I am very open to all ships! However, I do play Will as being heterosexual. This isn’t meant to be discriminatory in any way, my muse merely has no interest in men, those who present male, or those who identify as male.
I will RARELY, if ever, be okay with cheating. That being said, any and all ships I have will be taking place in DIFFERENT verses.
Despite being interested in shipping , never force a ship on me. I ship based on chemistry and whether I think our characters could have some sort of future (seeing as how Will is old-fashioned. ) If you try to force a ship on me, our thread will likely be dropped and continued behaviors may force me to unfollow.
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TAGGING.
Muses and mun are all 21+. Some nsfw material may appear on this blog. All nsfw posts will be tagged with #NSFW. S/N: I will not write smut with anyone under the age of eighteen.
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verses
CANON.
AU VERSES.
PRIVATE.
ONLY A BLACKSMITH. ( pre cotbp. )
With no family or title to speak of, William Turner has made his life in Port Royal by working hard and keeping his head down. Societal expectations are quite high in this small town, and as a result, Will attempts to abide by them around those of high status as he knows reputation is everything. However, he does find it in himself to let loose with the friends he’s made around the town, those whom he trusts.
PIRATE IS IN YOUR BLOOD. ( cotbp. )
Will’s life is completely disrupted by the arrival of pirates in Port Royal, and turned on it’s head when they leave with Elizabeth Swann as their captive. Unable to wait for the navy to locate the woman he loves, Will enlists the help of Captain Jack Sparrow to find the Black Pearl. Unaware of what he’s walking into, Will eventually learns that his father was a pirate and that he willingly left his family for piracy. Unsure of how to handle the new information that his father was a pirate, Will squashes down any current hatred in exchange for finding Elizabeth. Nevermind that it requires acts of piracy as well, Will follows after Captain Jack Sparrow and learns a bit more about himself than he would’ve liked.
A PIRATES LIFE FOR ME ( dmc )
Will’s determination to remain what he considers a good man is put to the test when Lord Beckett demands he find Jack Sparrow’s compass in exchange for his and Elizabeth’s freedom. With no choice but to delve back into the world of piracy, Will faces obstacles in the forms of navigating the seas, encountering cannibals, and going up against Davy Jones himself. During his run in with Jones, Will finds his father aboard the Flying Dutchman, and promises to save his soul no matter the cost.
NO CAUSE IS LOST. ( awe )
After Jack’s death, Will believes that any chance to save his father is lost along with his friend. However, Tia Dalma relays that there is a way to save both Jack and the Pearl, leading Will to do what must be done to bring the man back. Embracing what it means to be a pirate, Will begins placing his interests and goals above those of his crew. His actions and those of his fiance cause a large gap between the pair, one that isn’t explained until Jack is saved. Even so, the damage seems to be irreparable.
A PRICE MUST BE PAID IN THE END. ( post awe )
During the fight between The Brethren Court and the East India Trading Company, Will Turner lost his life at the hands of Davy Jones. With the help of Jack Sparrow, Will was able to stab the heart of Jones, and became the new Captain of the Flying Dutchman. Now, it is his responsibility to ferry the souls of the dead from this world to the next, a task he takes quite seriously. Though he and Elizabeth were married during the battle they knew might have ended their lives, Will could never ask Elizabeth to wait for him during the ten years it would take him to return to her. After their one day together, Will told Elizabeth to find her freedom, and in doing so also freed himself.
THEY'LL COME BACK TO YOU. ( alt. ending )
When all hope seemed lost, Bootstrap Bill found a way to break through the Dutchman’s hold on him and stab the heart of Davy Jones. Narrowly saving Will’s life and helping to end what might have been a full blown battle, Bootstrap became the rightful Captain of the Flying Dutchman. This left Will truly free in a way he hadn’t been before, and now the world is his for the taking.
IN THIS TWILIGHT HOW DARE YOU SPEAK OF GRACE. ( post awe ; dark verse )
Despite Will’s intentions of ferrying souls and remaining a good man, the harsh realities of being surrounded by death eventually wormed their way into his heart. Unable to fight against the darkness that clouded him, Will has become as dark and twisted as Davy Jones once was, if not worse. Cruel and unforgiving, William Turner has sacrificed his crew for a new one, eliminating his father in the process.
THIS WORLD OF LITTLE CONSEQUENCE. ( modern )
After the death of both of his parents, Will Turner was placed into foster care. Despite the usual struggles that came with living in the system, Will managed to find work doing small jobs around London. Working as a handyman hasn’t left him rolling in money, but he’s able to afford a small apartment on the outskirts of the city. It serves him well, and he’s rather prideful of having something to call his own.
HOME IS BEHIND ; THE WORLD AHEAD ( lotr/the hobbit )
After Captain Jack Sparrow was killed by Davy Jones’ kraken, Will and a few others embark on a journey to bring said Captain back. Though successful, returning to the land of the living proves to be something of a challenge. During this process, Will winds up losing his hold on the ship he’s on as she’s pulled through to the world she belongs in. For all Will knows, one moment he was aboard the Black Pearl, and the next, he’s sputtering by a river that cut through a landscape unlike any he’s seen before. One thing’s for certain – he certainly isn’t home anymore.
BE YOUR OWN ANCHOR. ( teen wolf )
Although his father was a notorious werewolf hunter, Will Turner has abandoned any sense of hunting in favor of protecting young wolves who are still learning to restrain themselves. Traveling the country in search of those who need help, Will finds himself in Beacon Hills, where werewolf activity seems to be quite high. It is there that he must discover who is truly and need and who is killing for the sake of fun, forcing him to decide whether or not to pick up his gun again or not.
THERE ARE NO WINNERS ; ONLY SURVIVORS. ( the hunger games )
A mechanic in District 3, Will Turner has only ever known poverty and the struggle of staying alive. Having lost his mother to starvation, Will learned quickly that the world he lived in was flawed. When sparks of the rebellion first began, Will came across as unfazed, though he paid close attention to what was being said. Once the world was thrown into chaos, he followed a group that led him to District 13.
UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE WORLD ENDS. ( marvel )
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THIEVES AND BEGGARS. ( black sails )
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YTHE FIRE FOUND A HOME IN ME.
Based off of this poem, hiding within a single man is the soul of a dragon reborn, stuffed into a smaller frame and asked to survive. With a single task in mind, Will seeks out the princess he’d taken as a dragon, taken and set free to the best of his abilities. Obvious struggles stand before them, such as getting her to believe his story. But he’s determined, and after all – she’d recognize her dragon anywhere.
VERSE PARTNER: brookesmxrt
FOR EVEN CASTLES MUST ONE DAY CRUMBLE
Sir William Turner is a knight, sworn to serve the Argent family against any enemy that should attempt to cause them harm. A narrow encounter with a prior attack has left them all on edge, and Will begins to notice changes in the princess, a newfound determination perhaps. It takes him some time to catch on, but the small cuts that litter her fingers and a missing dagger alerts him to her attempted training. Instead of scolding her, Will finds himself wanting to help her. As time goes on, this need to protect Allison steadily grows stronger.
VERSE PARTNER: darkinherheart
WHEN SHE LAUGHS YOU FORGET WHAT IT MEAN TO LIVE IN DARKNESS.
William Turner has roamed the Earth for nearly 300 years, an immortal being among mere men. After becoming Captain of the Flying Dutchman, he’d done everything his new title asked for. As the years continued to pass and need for the Dutchman soon dwindled before vanishing entirely, Will lived on. Waiting for his end was fruitless, and so he was forced to accept his eternal fate. Watching as those he loved passed with no hope of ever joining them, Will distanced himself from the world around him. It isn’t until one day in modern London that he finds himself believing in fate again, when he comes across a woman that is the spitting image of Elizabeth Swann, the woman he’d loved and lost.
VERSE PARTNER: hangtherules
THEY TURNED TO ASH ALL THAT I ADORE
He’d been told that hope was a foolish thing, something that would never truly exist in a world ruled by the Capitol. And yet, he’d allowed himself to cling to it, to have faith in the mockingjay and all the rebellion stood for. It wasn’t until their bombs DEMOLISHED District 13 that Will’s fragile hope was changed from something solid to RUBBLE. Struggling to survive along with those who escaped the ruins, Will is trying to find something to believe in again. Despite everything, his struggles are nothing compared to the girl who’s lost everything – her cause, her fire, her sister.
VERSE PARTNER: unseenmockingjay
basic information
FULL NAME: william turner NICKNAME: will, whelp, the blacksmith AGE: 24 ( main verse ) BIRTH DATE: tba, 1721 NATIONALITY: english GENDER: male ROMANTIC ORIENTATION: heteroromantic SEXUAL ORIENTATION: heterosexual RELIGION: protestant ( non-practicing ) SPOKEN LANGUAGE: english OCCUPATION: blacksmith / pirate
relationships
PARENTS: bill & michelle turner ( both deceased ) SIBLINGS: none SIGNIFICANT OTHER: verse dependent; elizabeth swann CHILDREN: verse dependent; henry turner EXTENDED FAMILY: weatheryby swann ( father-in-law; deceased ) FRIENDS / ALLIES: anamaria, hector barbossa, james norrington, joshamee gibbs, marty, pintel, ragetti, tia dalma ENEMIES / ANIMOSITIES: cutler beckett, davy jones, edward teach, ian mercer, royal navy, sao feng
physical traits
EYE COLOUR: brown HAIR COLOUR: brown HEIGHT: 5'11" BODY BUILD: lean, muscular TATTOOS + PIERCINGS: n/a NOTABLE PHYSICAL TRAITS: strong jaw, scar on chest
phobias and disorders
PHOBIAS: losing himself MENTAL DISORDERS: ptsd WHEN WAS THIS DIAGNOSED?: undiagnosed